<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?><rss version="2.0"
	xmlns:content="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/content/"
	xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/"
	xmlns:atom="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom"
	xmlns:sy="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/syndication/"
		>
<channel>
	<title>Comments on: What are the facts in real estate?</title>
	<atom:link href="http://unconditional.co.nz/blog/what-are-the-facts-in-real-estate/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" />
	<link>http://unconditional.co.nz/blog/what-are-the-facts-in-real-estate/</link>
	<description>What&#039;s really going on in realestate</description>
	<lastBuildDate>Thu, 18 Mar 2010 08:57:32 +1300</lastBuildDate>
	<generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4</generator>
	<sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod>
	<sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency>
		<item>
		<title>By: Alistair Helm</title>
		<link>http://unconditional.co.nz/blog/what-are-the-facts-in-real-estate/comment-page-1/#comment-953</link>
		<dc:creator>Alistair Helm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Apr 2009 08:25:25 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.unconditional.co.nz/blog/?p=549#comment-953</guid>
		<description>Daniel,

Thanks for your comment and the insight into your experience with Green Door.

To be clear the statement I made was &quot;These companies operate outside of the law regarding the legal requirements of real estate agents and cannot act in the transaction, facilitation or negotiation of a sale without becoming a licensed agent&quot;

In this regard I was referring to the fact that at present Green Door is not a licensed real estate company / licensee and as such is not bound to the legal requirements of the Real Estate Agents Act 2008. This is not to say or make any implication that their operate operates outside the &#039;law&#039; - that would be inappropriate.

Green Door are very clear in that they provide a marketing service for a fee and through this assist private sellers with the marketing of their property, however they cannot operate to facilitate the sale of the property as to do so would legally contract them to be bound by the real estate agents act.

I am pleased that you have had success in selling your property satisfactorily.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Daniel,</p>
<p>Thanks for your comment and the insight into your experience with Green Door.</p>
<p>To be clear the statement I made was &#8220;These companies operate outside of the law regarding the legal requirements of real estate agents and cannot act in the transaction, facilitation or negotiation of a sale without becoming a licensed agent&#8221;</p>
<p>In this regard I was referring to the fact that at present Green Door is not a licensed real estate company / licensee and as such is not bound to the legal requirements of the Real Estate Agents Act 2008. This is not to say or make any implication that their operate operates outside the &#8216;law&#8217; &#8211; that would be inappropriate.</p>
<p>Green Door are very clear in that they provide a marketing service for a fee and through this assist private sellers with the marketing of their property, however they cannot operate to facilitate the sale of the property as to do so would legally contract them to be bound by the real estate agents act.</p>
<p>I am pleased that you have had success in selling your property satisfactorily.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Daniel Pennington</title>
		<link>http://unconditional.co.nz/blog/what-are-the-facts-in-real-estate/comment-page-1/#comment-952</link>
		<dc:creator>Daniel Pennington</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Apr 2009 08:10:21 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.unconditional.co.nz/blog/?p=549#comment-952</guid>
		<description>I&#039;m a property investor and having had some very frustrating experiences with estate agents over the years, I&#039;ve just sold my own A&#039;land home privately through Green Door. You state that &#039;these companies operate outside of the law&#039;- this is an irrelevant as well as biased comment as companies such as Green Door make it clear that they are marketers and not sales agents, nothing illegal about that. In fact with Green Door&#039;s support and my solicitor completing the legal paperwork, I achieved a great result in a short time and saved myself a lot of money. I certainly won&#039;t be wasting my time and money with an estate agent again and I&#039;m sure neither will a growing number of sellers who&#039;ve simply had enough of dealing with their fake promises and high charges. No wonder so many of them are going out of business.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m a property investor and having had some very frustrating experiences with estate agents over the years, I&#8217;ve just sold my own A&#8217;land home privately through Green Door. You state that &#8216;these companies operate outside of the law&#8217;- this is an irrelevant as well as biased comment as companies such as Green Door make it clear that they are marketers and not sales agents, nothing illegal about that. In fact with Green Door&#8217;s support and my solicitor completing the legal paperwork, I achieved a great result in a short time and saved myself a lot of money. I certainly won&#8217;t be wasting my time and money with an estate agent again and I&#8217;m sure neither will a growing number of sellers who&#8217;ve simply had enough of dealing with their fake promises and high charges. No wonder so many of them are going out of business.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Alistair Helm</title>
		<link>http://unconditional.co.nz/blog/what-are-the-facts-in-real-estate/comment-page-1/#comment-951</link>
		<dc:creator>Alistair Helm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Apr 2009 08:44:47 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.unconditional.co.nz/blog/?p=549#comment-951</guid>
		<description>Katja,

Thanks for leaving this comment / question. I am not a real estate agent - I am responsible for this website, but I guess in my role I get a view of the industry. Others may like add their thoughts. But anyway here are mine.

Let me lay them out pros and cons:

Pros
1. This is an industry where anyone can be successful if you have the right approach, skills and capabilities

2. You are effectively your own boss - self employed is the status. The more you put in the more you get out

3. It is an industry that effects many many people&#039;s lives - great if you are social and a good networker

Cons
1. You start with nothing - it is hard for the first year to get established

2. The market is constantly changing and the market does in many ways dictate your success - when the market is booming more people try and sell, so it is competitive. When the market is low - everyone is fighting for business - it is never easy

3. It is (or can be) a 7 day a week business

4. You need to be thick skinned - you have to be nice - even when you don&#039;t feel like it


So my advice is go and talk to a manager of a couple of local offices - they are always on the look out for smart people who would like to join their team.

Best of luck.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Katja,</p>
<p>Thanks for leaving this comment / question. I am not a real estate agent &#8211; I am responsible for this website, but I guess in my role I get a view of the industry. Others may like add their thoughts. But anyway here are mine.</p>
<p>Let me lay them out pros and cons:</p>
<p>Pros<br />
1. This is an industry where anyone can be successful if you have the right approach, skills and capabilities</p>
<p>2. You are effectively your own boss &#8211; self employed is the status. The more you put in the more you get out</p>
<p>3. It is an industry that effects many many people&#8217;s lives &#8211; great if you are social and a good networker</p>
<p>Cons<br />
1. You start with nothing &#8211; it is hard for the first year to get established</p>
<p>2. The market is constantly changing and the market does in many ways dictate your success &#8211; when the market is booming more people try and sell, so it is competitive. When the market is low &#8211; everyone is fighting for business &#8211; it is never easy</p>
<p>3. It is (or can be) a 7 day a week business</p>
<p>4. You need to be thick skinned &#8211; you have to be nice &#8211; even when you don&#8217;t feel like it</p>
<p>So my advice is go and talk to a manager of a couple of local offices &#8211; they are always on the look out for smart people who would like to join their team.</p>
<p>Best of luck.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Katja</title>
		<link>http://unconditional.co.nz/blog/what-are-the-facts-in-real-estate/comment-page-1/#comment-950</link>
		<dc:creator>Katja</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Apr 2009 08:17:12 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.unconditional.co.nz/blog/?p=549#comment-950</guid>
		<description>Hi guys,

Do you think it is worth to start a career in real estate?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi guys,</p>
<p>Do you think it is worth to start a career in real estate?</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Alistair Helm</title>
		<link>http://unconditional.co.nz/blog/what-are-the-facts-in-real-estate/comment-page-1/#comment-949</link>
		<dc:creator>Alistair Helm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Oct 2008 08:57:46 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.unconditional.co.nz/blog/?p=549#comment-949</guid>
		<description>Margaret

It is a good question however whilst the scale of &quot;non real estate transacted sales&quot; could be ascertained through the data from land registry as compared to REINZ stats. The fact is that a title transfer / ownership change would not stipulate as you say the difference between a private sale and a sideways transfer. Would certainly be interesting to know.

All we do know is that it is harder in a buyers market to sell privately and the sellers out there recognise it. The research from May of this year from the Nielsen Online survey showed a fall in the % of people who would definitely sell privately from 17% in 2007 to 14% in 2008.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Margaret</p>
<p>It is a good question however whilst the scale of &#8220;non real estate transacted sales&#8221; could be ascertained through the data from land registry as compared to REINZ stats. The fact is that a title transfer / ownership change would not stipulate as you say the difference between a private sale and a sideways transfer. Would certainly be interesting to know.</p>
<p>All we do know is that it is harder in a buyers market to sell privately and the sellers out there recognise it. The research from May of this year from the Nielsen Online survey showed a fall in the % of people who would definitely sell privately from 17% in 2007 to 14% in 2008.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Margaret W</title>
		<link>http://unconditional.co.nz/blog/what-are-the-facts-in-real-estate/comment-page-1/#comment-948</link>
		<dc:creator>Margaret W</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Oct 2008 01:54:32 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.unconditional.co.nz/blog/?p=549#comment-948</guid>
		<description>Hi Alistair, interesting reading as always. had to comment though about the figure that gets bandied about quite often re &quot;10%&quot; of sales being private sales.

One thing that no-one who quotes this statistic seems to (be able to) qualify is how many of these transactions are actually owners &quot;selling&quot; their properties sideways - eg into a Trust or LAQC - which are recorded as genuine sales &amp; title transfers and account for a heck of a lot of property transfers every year.

It would be interesting to see these &#039;claytons&#039; sales split out -  have a feeling the genuine private sales figure (ie owners marketing and selling their home privately to an unrelated 3rd party) could in fact be far lower than recorded. Anyone have the means to do this?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Alistair, interesting reading as always. had to comment though about the figure that gets bandied about quite often re &#8220;10%&#8221; of sales being private sales.</p>
<p>One thing that no-one who quotes this statistic seems to (be able to) qualify is how many of these transactions are actually owners &#8220;selling&#8221; their properties sideways &#8211; eg into a Trust or LAQC &#8211; which are recorded as genuine sales &amp; title transfers and account for a heck of a lot of property transfers every year.</p>
<p>It would be interesting to see these &#8216;claytons&#8217; sales split out &#8211;  have a feeling the genuine private sales figure (ie owners marketing and selling their home privately to an unrelated 3rd party) could in fact be far lower than recorded. Anyone have the means to do this?</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Real estate data and interpretation (2) &#171; The visible hand in economics</title>
		<link>http://unconditional.co.nz/blog/what-are-the-facts-in-real-estate/comment-page-1/#comment-947</link>
		<dc:creator>Real estate data and interpretation (2) &#171; The visible hand in economics</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Sep 2008 20:01:20 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.unconditional.co.nz/blog/?p=549#comment-947</guid>
		<description>[...] Other discussions of general real estate statistics are on the Rates Blog, and the Real estate site. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Other discussions of general real estate statistics are on the Rates Blog, and the Real estate site. [...]</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: expat</title>
		<link>http://unconditional.co.nz/blog/what-are-the-facts-in-real-estate/comment-page-1/#comment-946</link>
		<dc:creator>expat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Sep 2008 15:40:59 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.unconditional.co.nz/blog/?p=549#comment-946</guid>
		<description>&gt;&gt;There are mounting fears that more UK banks will go to the knackers yard with the Financial Times highlighting the risks to Bradford and Bingley&lt;&lt;

Yep, I hear B&amp;B are dead meat.  But thats hardly new news.

The real issue for NZ is how much further does the downturn in Aotearoa have to play out.

Probably through into 2009 I&#039;d guess if as I suspect the current spring/summer sales season delivers more falls off the back of high listings and low buying demand.

What you reckon guys/girls?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt;&gt;There are mounting fears that more UK banks will go to the knackers yard with the Financial Times highlighting the risks to Bradford and Bingley&lt;&lt;</p>
<p>Yep, I hear B&amp;B are dead meat.  But thats hardly new news.</p>
<p>The real issue for NZ is how much further does the downturn in Aotearoa have to play out.</p>
<p>Probably through into 2009 I&#8217;d guess if as I suspect the current spring/summer sales season delivers more falls off the back of high listings and low buying demand.</p>
<p>What you reckon guys/girls?</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Duncan Munro</title>
		<link>http://unconditional.co.nz/blog/what-are-the-facts-in-real-estate/comment-page-1/#comment-945</link>
		<dc:creator>Duncan Munro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Sep 2008 01:09:37 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.unconditional.co.nz/blog/?p=549#comment-945</guid>
		<description>I&#039;ve been an agent in Hamilton for the last 10 years.
Lets have a look at the fundamental process of how Real Estate Agents put prices on property.
Agents research the market to see what other properties are selling for. They look for similar properties in similar areas that are selling at that particular time. We do this because that is exactly what our buyers do as they go around looking for property to buy.
A house that is over priced soon stands out to buyers as it doesn&#039;t compare favourably with other similar properties on the market.
We are all looking for value for money and none of us want to over pay for a property. There is a fair price range for all property. If the price listed is above this range then the property won&#039;t sell.
Quality marketing usually gets a sale price at the top end of the range, an urgent sale price is usually at the lower end of the range. In most cases all the advertising in the world won&#039;t sell a property which is over priced.
A property is only worth what someone will pay for it. When you ask me to sell your property I assume that you want a result. I want to get a result for you, because I have to feed my kids. If a vendor doesn&#039;t accept what the market is saying his house is worth, then an agent will concentrate on other vendors who will accept what the market is saying about their property.
In this current market, if your house has got last years price on it, then you will have great difficulty selling it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve been an agent in Hamilton for the last 10 years.<br />
Lets have a look at the fundamental process of how Real Estate Agents put prices on property.<br />
Agents research the market to see what other properties are selling for. They look for similar properties in similar areas that are selling at that particular time. We do this because that is exactly what our buyers do as they go around looking for property to buy.<br />
A house that is over priced soon stands out to buyers as it doesn&#8217;t compare favourably with other similar properties on the market.<br />
We are all looking for value for money and none of us want to over pay for a property. There is a fair price range for all property. If the price listed is above this range then the property won&#8217;t sell.<br />
Quality marketing usually gets a sale price at the top end of the range, an urgent sale price is usually at the lower end of the range. In most cases all the advertising in the world won&#8217;t sell a property which is over priced.<br />
A property is only worth what someone will pay for it. When you ask me to sell your property I assume that you want a result. I want to get a result for you, because I have to feed my kids. If a vendor doesn&#8217;t accept what the market is saying his house is worth, then an agent will concentrate on other vendors who will accept what the market is saying about their property.<br />
In this current market, if your house has got last years price on it, then you will have great difficulty selling it.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Alistair Helm</title>
		<link>http://unconditional.co.nz/blog/what-are-the-facts-in-real-estate/comment-page-1/#comment-934</link>
		<dc:creator>Alistair Helm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Sep 2008 19:18:57 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.unconditional.co.nz/blog/?p=549#comment-934</guid>
		<description>Bob,

Your comment interests me and I am sure others will equally comment, possibly more from personal experience (which I cannot do - neither having been a buyer nor a seller for a few year; and not being an agent).

The point I would make is that an agent does need to make a sale to earn a living and it is tough and to a certain extent they will focus on properties that they have a chance of selling. but ask yourself this question before you make that change to agents:

- who sets the asking price of the property? - do you think a vendor just leaves this to the agent? - of course not, so if the vendor has unrealistic expectations and despite this the agent takes the listing, you can begin to see how potentially an agent could actually loose credibility trying to market an overpriced property.

As this industry rapidly changes I suspect we will begin to see a scenario where vendors will be calling around agents saying &quot;please sell my house&quot; because after being politely turned down by a few smart agents who say &quot;why should I spend my time (which had opportunity cost for which i don&#039;t think I will get paid) when I could be better using my time to sell something that is marketed to meet the market - emphasis here on &quot;marketed&quot; as opposed to just priced! A key component to this future scenario is better informed buyers and sellers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bob,</p>
<p>Your comment interests me and I am sure others will equally comment, possibly more from personal experience (which I cannot do &#8211; neither having been a buyer nor a seller for a few year; and not being an agent).</p>
<p>The point I would make is that an agent does need to make a sale to earn a living and it is tough and to a certain extent they will focus on properties that they have a chance of selling. but ask yourself this question before you make that change to agents:</p>
<p>- who sets the asking price of the property? &#8211; do you think a vendor just leaves this to the agent? &#8211; of course not, so if the vendor has unrealistic expectations and despite this the agent takes the listing, you can begin to see how potentially an agent could actually loose credibility trying to market an overpriced property.</p>
<p>As this industry rapidly changes I suspect we will begin to see a scenario where vendors will be calling around agents saying &#8220;please sell my house&#8221; because after being politely turned down by a few smart agents who say &#8220;why should I spend my time (which had opportunity cost for which i don&#8217;t think I will get paid) when I could be better using my time to sell something that is marketed to meet the market &#8211; emphasis here on &#8220;marketed&#8221; as opposed to just priced! A key component to this future scenario is better informed buyers and sellers.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
</channel>
</rss>